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Should this judge be struck off?
« on: March 01, 2009, 01:19:03 pm »
I was appalled, incensed and angered yesterday after I read this story in the local paper.  A 30 year old man met a girl in a chat room, who was 12 but claimed to be 19.  They met and he gave her vodka before having 'sexual intercourse.'    The man claims he did not realise her age but pleaded gulity to rape of a girl under the age of 13.  He received a three and a half year jail term and will be on the sex offenders register for life.  Bearing in mind that he had previously been convicted for having sex with a 15 year old in public and jailed for gross indecency and sex with a minor (though she consented) this sentence is woefully inadequate and doesn't nearly reflect the squallid nature of his actions.  I have two 14 year old nieces and it's obvious they are too young, so how can a man think a 12 year old can possibly be old enough?  The judge should be horse-whipped and sacked.

Although he didn't use any force and made no attempt to hide his age, I think this sort of thing should have attracted a sentence of at least 10 years.  We need to protect girls from men like this, even if some of them behave provocatively.  The police were not happy with the sentence.

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Re: Should this judge be struck off?
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2009, 02:19:30 pm »
The law is an ass!

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Re: Should this judge be struck off?
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2009, 02:28:21 pm »
Do you have an RSS or the URL to the artical on-line or can you scan the paper in that it is from?

IMHO this is serious and I for one would like to find out exactly how the judge arrived at the sentence, if it is in the guidelines on sentencing, then not much can be done and to blow off about it may get him a reduction if the full sentence was thrown at him.

I would need to know the full facts before I pushed this under the nose of the CPS & Law commission.

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Re: Should this judge be struck off?
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2009, 03:29:00 pm »
These judges are completely out of touch with reality. A 30 year old man has no business actively persuing young girls, however willing the girls are. It is nearly always, in my view, an abusive relationship. There are rare occasions where a couple of vastly different ages fall in love and it works out well for them but in this case this man appears to be a sexual predetor and should be locked up for at least ten years.
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Re: Should this judge be struck off?
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2009, 04:35:01 pm »
Yes Bounty, show us the report.
This place is getting more and more like the Daily Mail reader's letters page.
The apostrophe is in the right place incidentally.

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Re: Should this judge be struck off?
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2009, 04:36:09 pm »
Daily Mail? I read The Sun.
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Re: Should this judge be struck off?
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2009, 06:21:59 pm »
Yes Bounty, show us the report.
This place is getting more and more like the Daily Mail reader's letters page.
The apostrophe is in the right place incidentally.

Subtle but it made me smile.

Sorry, got to stop ranting.
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Re: Should this judge be struck off?
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2009, 06:22:58 pm »
Hell, no!
It's what makes this place interesting.

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Re: Should this judge be struck off?
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2009, 06:33:25 pm »
Here is the report from the local paper's website.  I don't know how many 12 year-old girls this judge knows.  The counsel's mitigating statement is utterly disingenuous and the judge's rationale of his sentence anything but rational.  The whole thing chills me to the bone.

A MAN who had sex with a 12-year-old girl he met on the internet has been jailed for three-and-a-half years.

David Rose, 29, bought vodka and took the child back to his Newark home, Nottingham Crown Court heard.

She was reported missing from the West Midlands by her mum after she disappeared for a day to meet Rose.

"She became drunk and had sex with him," said prosecutor James Hett.

"She made it clear it was consensual. She said she was 19, was working and had a child, when she originally spoke to him."

Mr Hett said the girl's physical appearance was of a girl of 14.

But, according to a police officer, when she spoke it was obvious she was younger than 14. In interviews with police, she said she had contacted Rose via MSN Messenger for two weeks before they arranged to meet earlier this month.

She had bought child tickets on the bus and at the cinema with Rose, so by then he should have been aware she was under-age. They had sex at least four times, and Rose, of Railway Court, Newark, did not use contraception.

The court heard he had previously been cautioned for gross indecency after having sex with a 15-year-old girl in public. He pleaded guilty, at a preliminary hearing, to raping a child under 13.

Martin Elwick, mitigating, said: "To use an old expression, she was 'made up to the nines'.

"She gave every impression to him that she drank and smoked and was ready to concede to have sex with him. He is adamant he isn't someone who has a problem, who looks for girls to have sex with him. There is no suggestion of force."

Judge Michael Stokes, QC, Recorder of Nottingham, said Rose must sign the sex offenders' register for life.

"You will be 30 years of age in May. This girl was 12 and that in itself shows the wide gap not only chronologically in years but in experience, common sense and judgment.

"I accept, and it is something that has reduced the sentence substantially, that this is not a case of an older man searching the internet to contact an under-age girl deliberately.

"This complainant accepts that she lied to you on MSN about her age and gave the impression in the information she was sending you that she was more mature and grown up than she actually was."


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Re: Should this judge be struck off?
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2009, 09:28:18 pm »
@bounty

Having asked a question, if you want to complain about a judge, your first port of call is the 'Law Society.'

I might warn you that you could be opening a can of worms here because if you complain and this judge has sent some real sickos down, they will be able to question the judges decision on the sentences that they recieved whereas currently the judge has metered out punishment within the law even though the man has in a way gotten off lightly as he has taken in to account that the man did not routinely cruise women or girls or any evidence of grooming.

If you want my advice, leave it alone, you could be doing society more harm by allowing other cases that this judge has sat on to be questioned and that can lead to sentencing reviews on previously tried cases or open the flood gates for inmates to challenge that judges decisions.

The law eh!

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Re: Should this judge be struck off?
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2009, 10:04:47 pm »
I don't think bounty was planning on complaining about a judge.
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Re: Should this judge be struck off?
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2009, 08:36:55 am »
I wasn't intending to get personally involved with this judge. My ire was aimed at the judicial system and his interpretation of the evidence.  I think that this sloppy approach to sentencing creates a grey area, where there should be no grey areas. I also believe that it only helps to feed the paranoia among the public regarding children.  The public want to feel safe from men like this and those much worse than him.  Unfortunately this is not an isolated case. 


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Re: Should this judge be struck off?
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2009, 09:45:40 am »
Still the same people that you complain to.

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Re: Should this judge be struck off?
« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2009, 12:30:22 pm »
This guy had had sex with minors before!  He should be bloody castrated!