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Offline Jamsi

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« Reply #30 on: February 20, 2008, 05:43:48 pm »
What has happened to freedom of choice? If someone is blind, deaf and has no legs and can't get out to the shops, If they can't read the paper or watch tv or listen to radio because of their disability but they enjoy a smoke why shouldn't they be allowed to enjoy one when they have very little else in their lives.
Most people know the health risks associated with smoking and it is their personal choice to partake in the habit so if it leads them to an early grave it is their own fault!

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« Reply #31 on: February 20, 2008, 08:26:26 pm »
That severely incapacitated person is going to need some home care provision, Jamsi.
 

It leads to 2 words.

Passive smoking.

The carer has a personal choice not to partake in inhaling second hand smoke.

I guess we should leave them to die whilst enjoying their smokes.

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« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2008, 06:52:25 am »
I agree, generally, that somking should be left to die a natural death as people gradually take on the responsibility for their own health and make consideration for the health of those around them. After all, that is what has happened over the past 30 years. back then, more than fifty per cent of the adult population smoked. Now it is less than 30 per cent.
 

HOWEVER, for the selfish few who think they can pollute the air around them in public, they need legislation, which we now have.

 

I think I'm right in saying that, under the new law, a carer employed by the local authority can ask that clients they are visiting refrain from smoking for the duration of their visit. Sadly, this does not extend to carers from within the person's own family.

 

And there lies a sad, but true story. My cousin, who was exactly the same age as me (both born same day, same year) married a much older man who, shortly after their wedding, suffered a series of medical problems that forced him to give up work and become housebound. For over 30 years my cousin cared for her husband.  At the same time she raised four children.  For most of that time she breathed in the smoke of her husband's cigarettes.  She was not a smoker herself. Last summer, she died from lung cancer, aged 49.  It was a long, lingering death as the cancer went to her brain and destroyed body and her personality.  Her husband, now 77, always thought he would die first.  He lives on.
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« Reply #33 on: February 21, 2008, 01:49:06 pm »

Quote from: Jamsi
What has happened to freedom of choice? If someone is blind, deaf and has no legs and can't get out to the shops, If they can't read the paper or watch tv or listen to radio because of their disability but they enjoy a smoke why shouldn't they be allowed to enjoy one when they have very little else in their lives.
Most people know the health risks associated with smoking and it is their personal choice to partake in the habit so if it leads them to an early grave it is their own fault!

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You seem to have missed the point. No one has proposed that housebound people should be prevented from buying cigarettes! The proposal - and it is only that, a proposal - is that people should be made to buy a ONE-OFF permit which states they are allowed to purchase cigarettes. It would not limit the amount of cigarettes a person could buy (10 packs per permit etc.) and there would be nothing to stop a care worker or family member buying one and then giving the cigarettes to someone else.

I don't agree with the idea, but it's worth finding out what the idea actually is before deciding.
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« Reply #34 on: February 22, 2008, 07:02:27 pm »
How many of you would be willing to pay for a permit if it was to buy alcohol?
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« Reply #35 on: March 08, 2008, 10:39:18 am »
Me. I wouldn't need one.

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« Reply #36 on: March 08, 2008, 10:40:37 am »
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/7284793.stm


 

Ah, but it is their human rights that are being infringed. Poor smokers. Attacked from all angles.

How dumb do you have to be to smoke?

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« Reply #37 on: March 08, 2008, 04:29:12 pm »
How dumb do you have to be to give yourself liver failure or alcohol poisoning?
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« Reply #38 on: March 08, 2008, 04:45:22 pm »
Quite but not as selfish as the smoker who makes their child ill.
Yes, drunks aren't exactly model parents either.

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« Reply #39 on: March 08, 2008, 05:19:28 pm »
At least drunks only harm their own livers.
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« Reply #40 on: March 08, 2008, 09:02:20 pm »
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At least drunks only harm their own livers.

I was going to say something similar, Smurfy. I then paused and realised someone would come back with the fact that it can change a person's personality for the worse.

Alcohol can harm other innocents by turning the drunk into a beater.

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« Reply #41 on: March 10, 2008, 09:36:25 am »
Do you agree with paying to drive on certain motorways?
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« Reply #42 on: March 10, 2008, 01:51:49 pm »
I think the M6 Toll was a good idea, but I'm not keen on toll roads with no alternative.
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« Reply #43 on: March 10, 2008, 05:24:37 pm »
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Do you agree with paying to drive on certain motorways?

Oh yes. It is called fuel duty, road fund license and V.A.T. 

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« Reply #44 on: March 17, 2008, 10:07:51 pm »
An anti-smoking group in Liverpool is calling for all movies with smoking scenes to be given an 18 certificate. This is going too far.
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