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Offline loulou

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« on: February 16, 2008, 07:15:06 pm »
Smokers could be forced to pay 10 for a permit to buy tobacco if a government health advisory body gets its way.

No one would be able to buy cigarettes without the permit, under the idea proposed by Health England.


What next? I see a permit to buy alcohol next which has to be swiped  everytime you buy a drink then just as you are getting merry the bartender informs you that you can have no more as you have exceeded your limit for one day.
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« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2008, 10:10:48 pm »
I wonder if that would be such a bad thing? Especially with the alcohol.
 

I have to say I would not be sorry to see the end of drunk driving as a past time of those who irresponsibly drink too much, then get behind the wheel.

If it helps keep one or two drunk drivers off the roads I would be all for it, and if you don't drink and drive then you have nothing to worry about.

It wouldn't stop people getting drunk as they could still do that at home and at private parties, but it might help cut down the incidents of innocent people being killed by hit and run/drunk drivers. That would be a good thing.

The permit for the smoking would I think, be introduced simply to increase the revenues paid by those people there are left who still smoke. Perhaps the government is now realising just how much of it's revenue is actually raised in tax on tobacco and is regretting it's monumental push to have everybody quit?
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« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2008, 02:01:17 pm »
I agree wholeheartedly with the public smoking ban, but a permit to be allowed to do it in your own home is going too far. Surely people should be allowed to make some of their own decisions about life?
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« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2008, 02:19:12 pm »
People make their own decisions?  Shocked  The very idea!  This is the 21st century you know!
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« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2008, 02:59:07 pm »
I agree with smurfy.
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« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2008, 03:06:26 pm »
Your civil liberties do need to be respected and it does seem very draconian.
One point to consider however.

What about the rights of children who have to share a house with smoking parents/guardians?
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« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2008, 04:07:01 pm »

As somebody who really struggled to quit smoking, I would say ban cigarettes altogether.  Of course, It will never happen because the government would lose too much in taxes. Ironic really...

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« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2008, 04:09:24 pm »
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Your civil liberties do need to be respected and it does seem very draconian.
One point to consider however.

What about the rights of children who have to share a house with smoking parents/guardians?

 

Is a child living with a smoking parent worse than living with a parent who is permanently drunk and abusive?
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« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2008, 04:10:08 pm »
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As somebody who really struggled to quit smoking, I would say ban cigarettes altogether.  Of course, It will never happen because the government would lose too much in taxes. Ironic really...


How long were you a smoker?
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« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2008, 04:11:35 pm »
I would have thought that they were both equally abusive.
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« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2008, 04:12:24 pm »
Quote from: loulou
Quote from: Logger

As somebody who really struggled to quit smoking, I would say ban cigarettes altogether.  Of course, It will never happen because the government would lose too much in taxes. Ironic really...


How long were you a smoker?

Until she stopped.

 
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« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2008, 04:15:24 pm »

LOL Reformed smokers are the worst. They don't agree with the price of them or banning them until they have given up and that is because they know they could easily return to smoking.

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« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2008, 08:06:58 pm »
A permit could help cut down on the number of underage smokers and possibly even put children off taking up smoking in the first place.
If they aren't old enough they won't have a permit and so could not buy tobacco products.

I'm not sure how it's such a bad thing, but of course I'm not trying to hide anything.
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« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2008, 09:37:50 pm »
Ok, but where do you stop?
A permit to drink coffee?

A permit to eat fattening foods?

A permit to eat high sugar/salt foods?

You get my drift I'm sure (well, I'm not but I'll assume you all are).

Personally, I think smoking should be made illegal and nicotine made a class A drug.

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« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2008, 09:56:16 pm »
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Quote from: Logger

As somebody who really struggled to quit smoking, I would say ban cigarettes altogether.  Of course, It will never happen because the government would lose too much in taxes. Ironic really...


How long were you a smoker?

 

14 years.  A long time.

I honestly think that there is really no argument against banning cigarettes...they have no benefits whatsoever. 

Most people start smoking when they are below or around the legal age and at that point in their lives, they give very little thought to the future consequences.  I know many smokers in their 30's and 40's and not one enjoys their habit and all would like to quit.

 

For what it's worth I think the 'permit' idea is utterly ridiculous.
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