Debeat of the week ( 28th Augest)

[loulou]

I can feed 2 of us ( including cooking meals for my mum and sis once a weekish) on £25 easily. This also includes treats like ice cream and chocolate.

Do you just buy meat, veg and fruit?

[salsa]

Nope, it is everything, its bread or bread mix for the machine, its sandwich things such as ham, or cheese etc. Its cakes, its milk, and milkshake mix.

I forgot to add that we get our potatoes from the local farm, so we spend £4 on a half a sack of spuds. They will last forever. We also make sure that we take advantage of the 2 for 1 offers whenever they are on as this also takes the budget down.

If we want nice things like ice cream or puddings we get things from farmfoods or whatever is on offer elsewhere so it doesn't throw the budget into complete array.

Okay,I will admit we have weeks when we get stupid, we will go to waitrose and buy stupid stuff and not worry, but we can do this because we are careful 99% of the time. I am sure if I had the time and the inclination I could shop for less, I certainly did while I was off work.

I actually admire the people who are on things like incapacity benefit and manage to survive on this. They deserve all our help and assistance. Not people who just can't save to get a flat.

[salsa]

My pearent ARE WORKING CLASS so are my Gran/grandad , there work al ther days, but yet arrcoing to some people there not doing it right or have TOO high expseratiosn

al there  want is to have a bit of spare cash at the end of each month and be able to relxing

My grandparents worked in a factory machining tools. My dad worked in the same place until he met my mum.

My dad died when he was 56, and left my mum with a sizable morgage to pay off. She had to get her first job in years when he was too ill to work because otherwise we would have lost our house. I admire my mum for being able to go out and work hard and focus on her career to get herself in a position where she is earning more than 20k a year from nothing 6 years ago.

Being working class doesn't mean anything these days, my boyfriend worked in a factory and was taking home in excess of £350 a week. He has since moved to being a warehouse controller and barely takes home £240 a week. His new occupation would be considered a white collar job, but he is worse off for it. Yes, he could earn more but I consider the dangers of working in a foundary aren't worth it and his gran begged me not to let him do this.

We made a logical choice that if he earned less money, but, we would cut down on things so we could still enjoy life. Everyone makes these choices.

[oldspice]

I’m sorry but I think you full of piss and wind! And nothing eles!

espical the 19.57 post

 

This is not an acceptable way to to talk to another Forum member.

[kevvosa]

Agreed. 623 I think you should apologise. 

[Forth Bridges]

ok then you want m to do a FULLwriting repsonce?

[Forth Bridges]

I;m a surpose to aglosei for saying sh eful ofd pi** n wind?
is that the only thing I need to do?


loulou38961.0164351852

[salsa]

To be honest 623058 I reported the post for being abusive.

This is mean't to be a debate, therefore you write a reasoned well thought post and you don't allow yourself to get to a situation where you are personally abusive to people.

It is up to you if you wish to apologise or not. There is no point apologising if you don't want to.

but thanks to Oldspice and Kev for noticing what had happened.

[Forth Bridges]

OK THEN  I give yuo alt erment

I'll appsoglils IF I after ONE LAST REPONED

BUT If I wont to prove something! 

while this may take sometime ( come back aroudn 9pm ) I will alopsgies if yuo can see my side!

[smurfboy]

I am sure if I had the time and the inclination I could shop for less, I certainly did while I was off work.

I actually admire the people who are on things like incapacity benefit and manage to survive on this. They deserve all our help and assistance. Not people who just can't save to get a flat.

This illustrates perfectly why people would rather stay on benefits than get low paid jobs. At the moment my food budget is miniscule because I haven't got a job, but this means I can make it go further as I have the time to. I can get two 15p cans of tomatoes and some leftover veg and I have a casserole that can last for three meals. But if I took the first minimum wage job that came along I wouldn't have the time to shop around and make everything from scratch. It simply isn't worth it.

 

[Forth Bridges]

Here my last repose to this post, firstly

That comment “full of pi** & wind”, well it a well know Scottish saying –  I think it rubbish, everybody says it, and uses it

My parent also brought me up this morals “ To fright for what you believe in,”

SO I WILL FRIGHT.

I think the majority of people below the poverty line are actually pensioners because their pensions didn't take into account the rises in inflation we have had previously.  

 

AND

I agree with Salsa that the majority of people below the poverty line are pensioners.

I don’t believe that, there WERE, there not anymore along with every other pensioner.

Most are out of poverty now so the majority aren’t pensioner anymore; there are still some pensioners still in poverty although some of them wont ever appley form them so .. you can make up your own minds

End of the day if you are poor there are ways out of it. Work more, get a better paid job, or spend less. Life is tough, and everyone has to do this to get the things they want in life.

Like smufy say “”Yeah! And why not get one that gives you free healthcare and accommodation too? And pop out to the money tree and pick a few notes?””

It not that simple some of you don’t understand, Job just don’t grow on trees, and though out the 80’s amount of the job’s getting loss was beyond a joke, In central Scotland there was plenty Miner, steel, ship yards, But 95% of them half gone!  There have been replaced by call centre, electronic job ( both of which – there been more cuts in )  so all that left are shops, and bus driver. but there still plenty of folk that NEVER GOT Another job, In fife and in other place, there still a lot HIGH unemployment, SO how do there work more? There can’t simple  no jobs, of course the college course but there a VERY VERY HIGH turn over in this, but most have mist the boat on new jobs !so there got all this nice retraining and there no jobs.

Great. Like I said there only 2 jobs going in the area, Builder, other builder trade, AND the imagrant – poles and getting those Job cas there take the cheaper rate!

I’m sorry you can vote Blue if you wont but there a lot of People WHO HATE TORYS, for what there done, my area there destroyed the mining, and then we lost our Navel base to Portsmouth because there wanted to win a crappy by election, which there LOST

When Mr D Carmon visits the area, he was boo! And a lot of folk shouted “ you should be ashamed coming here”

You can vote for Mr Carom If you wont, ( I don’t know) I believe there win the next election( UK ) there have a lot of problems as the Scottish parl wont be controlled by them,  

HERE WANT I; M TAKING ABOUT, I;M TAKING ABOUT PEOPLE ON THE BREAD LINE, YOU SALAS ARE NOT ON THE BREAD LINE,

On the debate, WAITROES? Who BAR none of the folk in the council areas in Edinburgh, or Glasgow and FIFE will NEVER  visit Waitrose, there wound’t even get a look!  THERE WOULD NEVER GO THERE,

You are acutely quite alright compared to many MANY other! This is the group I;m taking about, I would shop in waitrose nor would my parent

This is Part 1 of my reposnce

            

loulou38961.0174421296

[Forth Bridges]

HERE Part 2. 1

 

I am sure if
I had the time and the inclination I could shop for less, I certainly did while
I was off work.

I actually admire the people who are on
things like incapacity benefit and manage to survive on this. They deserve all
our help and assistance. Not people who just can't save to get a flat

This
illustrates perfectly why people would rather stay on benefits than get
low paid jobs. At the moment my food budget is miniscule because I haven't got
a job, but this means I can make it go further as I have the time to. I can get
two 15p cans of tomatoes and some leftover veg and I have a casserole that can
last for three meals. But if I took the first minimum wage job that came along
I wouldn't have the time to shop around and make everything from scratch. It
simply isn't worth it.

This just opens another can of worms and
will not respond to this!

[salsa]

This illustrates perfectly why people would rather stay on benefits than get low paid jobs. At the moment my food budget is miniscule because I haven't got a job, but this means I can make it go further as I have the time to. I can get two 15p cans of tomatoes and some leftover veg and I have a casserole that can last for three meals. But if I took the first minimum wage job that came along I wouldn't have the time to shop around and make everything from scratch. It simply isn't worth it.

 

I was actually off work as I was ill, not because I was not working. I have since returned to my job full time.

I agree the difference between low paid jobs and benefits isn't good. But, you have to think of the self respect the job gives you. This gives you more than a financial benefit, it is the value of self worth.

Oh, and for the record, if you get a slo cooker it can cook for you while your out. It means you have got half a chance to do stuff from scratch while your working. This is not me preaching, its giving forward a useful suggestion.

[salsa]

That comment “full of pi*s & wind”, well it a well know Scottish saying –  I think it rubbish, everybody says it, and uses it

Lots of people around here say alot worse, however, I wouldn't use it to insult someone else. It is your choice to speak to someone in that manner, but don't justify it by saying well everyone does it.

I don’t believe that, there WERE, there not anymore along with every other pensioner.

Most are out of poverty now so the majority aren’t pensioner anymore; there are still some pensioners still in poverty although some of them wont ever appley form them so .. you can make up your own minds 

Poverty

• Over 2 million people (one in five of the UK pensioner population) live below the poverty line.
  
• Over 1 million pensioner households live in fuel poverty. Spending more than ten per cent of their income keeping warm.
  
• Means-testing can perpetuate poverty: up to £2.9 billion of means-tested benefits that should rightfully go to older people goes unclaimed each year

source : Help the aged

It not that simple some of you don’t understand, Job just don’t grow on trees, and though out the 80’s amount of the job’s getting loss was beyond a joke, In central Scotland there was plenty Miner, steel, ship yards, But 95% of them half gone!  There have been replaced by call centre, electronic job ( both of which – there been more cuts in )  so all that left are shops, and bus driver. but there still plenty of folk that NEVER GOT Another job, In fife and in other place, there still a lot HIGH unemployment, SO how do there work more? There can’t simple  no jobs, of course the college course but there a VERY VERY HIGH turn over in this, but most have mist the boat on new jobs !so there got all this nice retraining and there no jobs.

Great. Like I said there only 2 jobs going in the area, Builder, other builder trade, AND the imagrant – poles and getting those Job cas there take the cheaper rate!

 

I don't know if you are aware of this, but, the government actually subsidise businesses to have branches in Scotland.

I don't know where you live, so I can only base this search on Glasgow, however I just found this.... It isn't a building job, or anything similar.

http://www.jobsinglasgow.com/JobDetails.aspx?id=4468

On the debate, WAITROES? Who BAR none of the folk in the council areas in Edinburgh, or Glasgow and FIFE will NEVER  visit Waitrose, there wound’t even get a look!  THERE WOULD NEVER GO THERE,

You are acutely quite alright compared to many MANY other! This is the group I;m taking about, I would shop in waitrose nor would my parent

No,I am not on the breadline now, but we have been. We budget to afford what we want, we don't expect a money tree called social security to provide it for us. However, I have worked hard to put myself in a position which is better than my parents. I do earn a fair wage and I don't see why I should be embarassed.

But earning a wage doesn't mean I am immune to thoughts and ideas. I am aware that there are people out there who genuinely need help and assistance financially and fair play to them. I think people like that should get the money they need, I think we should weed out the people who play the system and claim when they don't need to.Therefore the system can help people more.

Yes, we occasionally go to Waitrose, but its occasionally and its not something we need to do. You are more likely to see me in Farmfoods or Iceland hunting out the bargains.

I suppose it is also worth commenting at this point that there are only two branches of Waitrose in Scotland. Both in Edinburgh, so unless people fancy a long journey to go and get their shopping i doubt they would go there.

loulou38961.0178935185

[Forth Bridges]

On the PS&WD: I’m not justly it cause everyone
else using it I satiny it because it what everyone say, along with me, this is
a clash of soilltay, and living Scot us it, it a Scots way

 

On the issues of working family – save up,  well it goes back to the staying on benefit
question, along with you have to pay – gas, electric, food, IF ALL YOU MONEY going
on thing you NEED, then how can you save for something special, how you CUT You
MAIN budget go with gas for a while?

 

.Being working class doesn't
mean anything these days, my boyfriend worked in a factory and was taking home
in excess of £350 a week. He has since moved to being a warehouse controller
and barely takes home £240 a week. His new occupation would be considered a
white collar job, but he is worse off for it. Yes, he could earn more but I
consider the dangers of working in a foundary aren't worth it and his gran
begged me not to let him do this. We made a logical choice that if he earned
less money, but, we would cut down on things so we could still enjoy life.
Everyone makes these choices.

 

AND

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At the end of the day only you can control
your own destiny. If you choose to accept the status quo then you have to live
with the consequences. However, if you don't want to want to live with the status
quo you do what you have to drag yourself out of the poverty trap .

 

And

Work more, get a better paid job

I just don’t believe these comment add up,

 
My parent NOR would I give up a job, for
less money, My dad work as a chemnacil technician! For 33 years with a lot of highly
danargous stuff, and worked in a factory with NO flitter, and lot of dust of machines
she he could support his family, my mum did the same,

 
Also if you are in poverty then you can get
you SELF out of it
If you chose to be in that state then you fault, cas it
what you said

here iis IF it still wrong then I have no chiuce but to alsopgiys