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« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2005, 11:00:11 am »

To me many of the people whose parents were working class are now in a mobile situation between the working class and the natural middle class.  There was a time when the working class was a proud, no nonsense, relatively educated section of society but I think those days are gone. 


The definition of working class to mean a 'worker' is misleading.  Barristers and surgeons are workers but they are not working class.  Likewise having plenty of money doesn't stop you from being working class.  Your social class is more to do with aspiration and life style.


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« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2005, 12:04:11 pm »
Who'd have thought a Chocolate forum could inspire such debate?
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« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2005, 02:13:59 pm »

Yes, social class is to do with aspiration and lifestyle. And many of the values you attribute to the middle class are actually working class values but the middle classes have them too! 

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« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2005, 03:07:02 pm »
What class am I?  Take home £17K in a good year, BSc (Hons), father and mother were both tailors.  I take five holidays a year, don't smoke or play bingo.  I used to watch One man and his dog, but I do live in a council house.

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« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2005, 06:02:59 pm »

If you wish to consider yourself middle class you are welcome to. Being a tailor can put you into several categories. It's a very skilled job - but history shows us that many tailors scraped a living by the trade in the late 19th century and they would have been very much working class. However, they would have been hard workers with decent values. They would have been willing to work day and night to earn a better standard of living for their children and grand-children. Their children and grandchildren may have been a little better off, thus being able to get a little more education and do a little better than their parents. The wealth of the family thus grows and so, generation by generation, they drift towards middle classness by virtue of their income and their education. THE WORKING CLASS VALUES MOVE WITH THEM. This is where the idea that education and hard work are middle class values comes from. 


As I have stated, my father was a milkman. He was working class. I am working class. My children, who have had the benefit of well-educated parents and a reasonable income, will be middle-class but the values they inherited from me are working class in their origins.


It's very hard to explain. But if you tell me I am middle-class because my values appear to be middle class you are wrong. If I am living a middle class life because of my education and income put me in that bracket, it is working class values that have got me there and working class values I will be taking with me.  

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« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2005, 06:37:49 pm »
I think we can safely say you're in a class of your own Bounty!
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« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2005, 09:16:52 pm »

Bounty, you are obviously working class.


You live in a council house and earn a reasonably low salary.  How could you consider yourself anything else?


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« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2005, 07:42:14 am »
£17K take home? Low? Robbie, do you know some clerical jobs in Peterborough pay £9K per year TOP LINE!! 
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« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2005, 08:55:21 am »
I think Robbie is comparing me with Beckham.

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« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2005, 10:13:29 am »
There is nothing wrong with living in a council house. There are reasons for peoples circumstances.

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« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2005, 03:40:10 pm »
I would say that I am working class with middle class values.

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« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2005, 05:32:33 pm »
NO! You are probably middle class with WORKING CLASS VALUES!!!!
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« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2005, 08:18:26 am »
Mmm interesting.  I need to think about that.  It's complicated by the fact that I have no political affiliations.

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« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2005, 12:22:00 am »
I think it was Wednesday night there was a wife swap programme on but it was about swingers. All these couples paying £30 each to go to someone elses house to swap partners. There was an odd looking couple who said sometimes when they go they don't see anyone else they fancy so have sex with each other then go home. Could have stayed home and saved £60.
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« Reply #29 on: January 15, 2005, 11:44:29 am »

BOUNTY!! I'VE GOT THE ANSWER!!


Today, on the bus coming back from town, I met a friend who lives locally. We are about the same age, our children go to the same school, and we get along well. I consider us to be the same class - but suddenly, from out of her bag, she produced an OK magazine and started to chat about Brad and Jennifer's split up - there was loads of pictures and gossip about them in the magazine. Then it hit me -  I consider myself working class but it's true that I do recoil at some apparently working class past times such as bingo, visiting Skegness (our local seaside town) and reading magazines like OK - so I decided -


I AM A SNOB!!!!


So - that may be the answer Bounty. if you think you're working class with middle class values - you're probably like me - working class with working class values - but - culturally - A SNOB!!


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