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Baby Peter's killers
« on: August 12, 2009, 06:31:59 am »
Isn't this so called news (it's been on the net for months) of Baby Peter's killers/tormentors a waste of column inches? They should lock them up and throw the key away.  End of...   
Peter Barker is already serving a 'life' sentence for raping a two year old girl.  Surely he can't be let out!!!  I bet he is though.  He should have his knackers cut off and fed to him.

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Re: Baby Peter's killers
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2009, 08:01:18 am »
did anyone else get the picture of barker sent to them via facebook, along with a message about how we should remember what he looks like etc... i've been getting it constantly for the past 12 months. so imagine my surprise when the picture of him was released yesterday and it's not the same guy! that's a really cruel trick to play on someone.
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« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2009, 09:44:16 am »
This is a very tragic story and, as the news pointed out yesterday, when these people get out of jail, they will be protected from violence for the rest of their lives - much more than little Peter could expect.

However, there is another side to this story. The mother's young life was one of neglect - born to a mother addicted to alcohol and drugs. The partner and his brother have a long history of sadistic behaviour - quite possibly linked to things they witnessed and experienced when growing up. I AM IN NO WAY EXCUSING THEIR BEHAVIOUR BUT - there are too many tragic young lives giving way to yet more tragedy. As a society, we have to work very hard to make sure every child is cared for, every child is protected and every parent is given the support they need to be good parents. It's not enough to take neglected children away - the parents just have more children. We have to put a lot of resources into ensuring people can positively parent their children and that they do not repeat the bad behaviour of their own parents.
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« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2009, 12:24:52 pm »
Amen to that, but society does appear to be going to the dogs.

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« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2009, 09:53:48 am »
This is a very tragic story and, as the news pointed out yesterday, when these people get out of jail, they will be protected from violence for the rest of their lives - much more than little Peter could expect.

However, there is another side to this story. The mother's young life was one of neglect - born to a mother addicted to alcohol and drugs. The partner and his brother have a long history of sadistic behaviour - quite possibly linked to things they witnessed and experienced when growing up. I AM IN NO WAY EXCUSING THEIR BEHAVIOUR BUT - there are too many tragic young lives giving way to yet more tragedy. As a society, we have to work very hard to make sure every child is cared for, every child is protected and every parent is given the support they need to be good parents. It's not enough to take neglected children away - the parents just have more children. We have to put a lot of resources into ensuring people can positively parent their children and that they do not repeat the bad behaviour of their own parents.

Good intentions Oldspice but logistically unfeasible.  There's just too many of them.  This wretched bunch are the particularly nasty tip of a huge iceberg.  There just aren't the resources to deal with these issues proactively. 

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Re: Baby Peter's killers
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2009, 11:49:54 am »
I blame the fact that society just bungs everyone together in housing estates and leaves them to rot

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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2009, 12:50:58 pm »
There's nothing wrong with housing estates.  The problems affecting Britain today are virtually unique in Europe in tems of their scale.  Basically the country is being overun by antisocial oiks.  I firmly believe the rot set in during the Thatcher era when she set the seeds of social breakdown.  The changes were quite subtle in many ways. 

The UK has always had a large proportion of poorly educated but basically decent people, who were happy buying their cigarettes and drinking their beer and doing lots of physical jobs and that's about it.  What Thatcher did was to destroy the industries, which employed many of the working classes and without the cohesion afforded by employment, families broke up because of the incredible stress and tension brought about by losing jobs, particularly in the coal mining industry.  The next generation, i.e people born around 1984, grew up in a new Britain, which was one of every man for himself, but unlike the affluent Yuppies in the south had no resources and turned to crime.  In the late 80's and 90's, with no father figures in many cases and increasingly fragmented family units, the now teenage lost generation were further damaged by a lack of public morality driven by greed.  It was at this point around 1995, that a wholesale reform in social welfare might just about have turned things round.  Unfortunately an inept labour government was so far up its own arse it didn't care and oversaw the current degredation in morals, drug abuse, crime and general breakdown. 

Unfortunately, without a radical change in governemt (zero-tolerance policing, harsh, if not Draconian prison sentences and a massive increase in tax to pay for the necessary social reforms, which Oldspice calls for) we're in for a rough ride.

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Re: Baby Peter's killers
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2009, 01:49:42 pm »

However, there is another side to this story. The mother's young life was one of neglect - born to a mother addicted to alcohol and drugs.

The woman's mother said in the paper she should rot in hell. True enough - but has she considered her own role in creating this monster?
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« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2009, 04:28:48 pm »
I can perfectly understand people's anger and horror at this story. The people who tortured young Peter may well rot in hell, but that will not prevent another tragedy such as this. As Smufy says, the Tracey's mother has a lot to answer for as she was a less than perfect mother herself. Tracey was clearly damaged by her childhood. However, that is no excuse for the terrible things done to Peter.

There is a lot of truth in what Bounty says about the problems of today going back as far as Thatcher's government. I think it goes back even further than that.  My auntie tells me that when she was growing up in the 1930s there were children who sat cold and hungry outside pubs whilst their parents sat inside drinking away the money for food. There were kids who were belted from one end of the street to the other in full view of neighbours and there were teachers who were willing to inflict excessive punishment on children for the smallest of sins. Thatcher's policies did not help at all as they destroyed a lot of working class communities and low-skilled jobs that communities relied upon and some of the people just seemed to give up trying in those communities. Only last weekend I was in Stoke-on-Trent. I was expecting to see a collection of pottery towns, made beautiful by the ceramics trade. I should have done more homework. The place was heart-breakingly broken down, decayed, litter-strewn, rubble-strewn, boarded-up and deserted. God knows what horrors lurked behind windows, closed fast on sunny weather.
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