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Offline smurfboy

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« on: July 31, 2006, 02:39:37 am »

Since the 'What she said' thread has been logged, I will have to respond to your ridiculous allegations of bullying here.


First of all, there is pretty positive proof that Phyllis Bermann was an alter ego of another forum member, created purely to annoy people. How is it possible to bully someone who doesn't exist? And how can you suggest certain members were unwelcoming to her when she didn't exist?


While I don't agree with what Salsa said and think her comments were very short-sighted, at least she has decided what she thinks and has stuck to her guns. It is Oldspice I am surprised and hugely disappointed at. Oldspice - you accuse people of bullying Phyllis and say we should be ashamed?! Apart from the condescending nature of your post, you seem to have an incredibly short memory. When I started a petition to get rid of Phyllis YOU SIGNED IT! Was that nice or welcoming? How does it make you any different to the 'bullies' you are so quick to accuse? You might not like the way I and certain other people have spoken to 'Phyllis' (who, lest we forget, is actually just an alter ego) but at least I said I didn't like the way she was behaving and stuck by that. You joined in the efforts to get rid of her and then hypocritically switched to sticking up for her, criticising myself and 623 in the process. Shame on us? You are the one who should be ashamed of yourself.

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« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2006, 09:10:42 am »

If I had the time to waste I would sit here and trawl through the forum at all the nasty posts made to her. It wouldn't be too difficult to see why the problems came about.


All along I haven't sat here and said that Phyllis was faultess and wasn't an unusual poster. Can I ask Smurfy do you have access to the IP logs? Other than that how did you know that she was someone else? I would imagine because there was whispering going on behing the scenes.


I will respond to the main points that have been raised in her attack


 



  • She started it

Well yes she might have, but be the adult and either rise above it or just plain ignore it, if she is attacking left right and centre in my mind the posts should be deleted by a mod. Do you ever remember using this 'excuse' at school, do you remember the response it provoked?



  • All she posted was emoticons

I saw coherent on topic posts by her, and to be fair we are all guilty here for making off topic posts, to be fair after the first few posts of any thread everything generally goes off topic anyway.



  • This is a chocolate forum

Oh my yes it is, but it has a general area and an adult area. Therefore it also has off topic sections. She isn't the only one to post about things which aren't about chocolate.



  • It wasn't bullying, she wasn't real

Okay, lets look at the bigger picture here. You are a new person coming to the site. you see PB on here, posting away seeming quite merry. You see all the posts that were being nasty about her? You see the thread made to ask people to stop making threads about her? ( I still love the irony of that). How would you feel about that forum, would you think it was a nice place to visit? would you look and think woo hoo that looks like fun lets join in.


No


I imagine most of you would sit there and go hmmm, if I join there I would be treated like that. At the end of the day there are a mod and an admin on this forum for a reason, and the reason is if there are problems they deal with them. It was like a lynch mob the way you all ganged up and had a go at her. If you are unhappy with a post there is a report post function. Use that, don't just bitch in the threads about it. This means that the forum will be without the trouble, you will never be accused of bullying and also it means it looks nicer for new people coming in.


As for me being short sighted, its true, thats why I was in hospital recently. But I am proud I have the courage of my convictions and stand up for what I think.


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« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2006, 10:30:24 am »

Smufy, I do not deny that I at first joined in with the banter aimed at Phyllis but it was of a teasing nature in response to her own sometimes pointless posts. However, I did not aim any personal comments at her and I did, several times, try to extend the hand of friendship. I have also stated several times that I think she is harmless  compared to the vicious nature of some of the posters we have had on the Forum.


I don't think it is relevant as to whether she is another poster in disguise. Many of us are guilty of adopting an alternative personality. I also agree that some of her posts were designed to wind people up but I do not think the ultimate objective was to cause upset.


This has all got very silly and i think we should all make friends and get on with returning the Forum to its original fun and friendly place.

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« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2006, 10:34:43 am »
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This has all got very silly and i think we should all make friends and get on with returning the Forum to its original fun and friendly place.



 I couldn't agree more.  Let's move on.

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« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2006, 10:39:06 am »

I completely agree. I just hope that someone has listened and it stops the same happening again.


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« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2006, 12:42:39 pm »
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If I had the time to waste I would sit here and trawl through the forum at all the nasty posts made to her. It wouldn't be too difficult to see why the problems came about.


All along I haven't sat here and said that Phyllis was faultess and wasn't an unusual poster. Can I ask Smurfy do you have access to the IP logs? Other than that how did you know that she was someone else? I would imagine because there was whispering going on behing the scenes.


What do you expect? If people suspect someone is an alter ego, of course it is going to be discussed and people are going to ask mods to check things like IP addresses.


I will respond to the main points that have been raised in her attack


 



  • She started it

Well yes she might have, but be the adult and either rise above it or just plain ignore it, if she is attacking left right and centre in my mind the posts should be deleted by a mod. Do you ever remember using this 'excuse' at school, do you remember the response it provoked?


It's all very well saying 'rise above it', but does that mean she should get sympathy for trying to cause trouble? You 'decided' in a recent post that Phyllis suggesting 623 had a STD was not offensive - well that is not for you to decide. Had she said it to you, it would have been.



  • All she posted was emoticons

I saw coherent on topic posts by her, and to be fair we are all guilty here for making off topic posts, to be fair after the first few posts of any thread everything generally goes off topic anyway.


Off topic is fine, posting emoticons is fine - if they are relevant. If someone thinks something is funny and posts a laughing emoticon in response, fine. What I and several others objected to was Phyllis resurrected threads as much as three months old purely to add a smiling face and make sure hers was the only name you could see on the list of most recent posts.



  • This is a chocolate forum

Oh my yes it is, but it has a general area and an adult area. Therefore it also has off topic sections. She isn't the only one to post about things which aren't about chocolate.


No problem with that personally - but I think BK made that point because Phyllis largely posted to annoy, and her only chocolate related posts were endless threads about Bicerin and Vermeer.



  • It wasn't bullying, she wasn't real

Okay, lets look at the bigger picture here. You are a new person coming to the site. you see PB on here, posting away seeming quite merry. You see all the posts that were being nasty about her? You see the thread made to ask people to stop making threads about her? ( I still love the irony of that). How would you feel about that forum, would you think it was a nice place to visit? would you look and think woo hoo that looks like fun lets join in.


No


I imagine most of you would sit there and go hmmm, if I join there I would be treated like that. At the end of the day there are a mod and an admin on this forum for a reason, and the reason is if there are problems they deal with them. It was like a lynch mob the way you all ganged up and had a go at her. If you are unhappy with a post there is a report post function. Use that, don't just bitch in the threads about it. This means that the forum will be without the trouble, you will never be accused of bullying and also it means it looks nicer for new people coming in.


If Phyllis has the right to 'post merrily away', surely the rest of us have the right to respond with our own opinion? On the subject of new posters, give them the credit to judge for themselves. Jamsi for example joined not long before Phyllis but sensed immediately she was a troublemaker.


As for me being short sighted, its true, thats why I was in hospital recently.


Very funny. You should be on at the Palladium.


 But I am proud I have the courage of my convictions and stand up for what I think.


As I said earlier in the thread, I recognise that unlike certain other people, you stuck to what you believed. But so have I. Just because I think differently to you it doesn't make me wrong.



 

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« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2006, 03:08:46 pm »

I don't want to keep this topic going on, but you are like a dog with a bone. I will politely ask you to sit on this and chill for a few days. If you still feel so strongly email me.


There is no point in dragging this through the board, and I am sure in a few days when you have calmed down some then there wouldn't be a problem


But for the record, if anyone even wants to start a thread alledging I have STD's please do, I would find it amusing. I am not that delicate I can't take pathetic insult on the chin .


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« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2006, 03:13:07 pm »

OK THE HAVE IT YOU WAY!  

COMING SOON A POST ABOUT SLAS AND STD!
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« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2006, 03:16:00 pm »
Quote from: salsa

I don't want to keep this topic going on, but you are like a dog with a bone. I will politely ask you to sit on this and chill for a few days. If you still feel so strongly email me.


There is no point in dragging this through the board, and I am sure in a few days when you have calmed down some then there wouldn't be a problem


But for the record, if anyone even wants to start a thread alledging I have STD's please do, I would find it amusing. I am not that delicate I can't take pathetic insult on the chin .



I don't want to drag it on either but did you really not expect a response? Why is it me who has to 'sit on it' - no one is forcing you to keep replying to the thread!


As for the STD thing, you still don't seem to have grasped the point. You wouldn't find it offensive - fine. It wasn't said to you, it was said to 623, he DID find it offensive, so if he wants to have a go at Phyllis about it he can!

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« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2006, 03:59:02 pm »

This entry posted 31/07/2006 09:42:13 salsa: mine was fine, just bored now im home alone again
This entry posted 31/07/2006 09:42:24 goldencup: Salsa are your eyes ok now?
This entry posted 31/07/2006 09:42:32 phyllisbermann: I'm now going to join another chatroom where people are kinder
This entry posted 31/07/2006 09:42:36 phyllisbermann: Any suggestions?
This entry posted 31/07/2006 09:43:00 goldencup: It depends what you're interested in
This entry posted 31/07/2006 09:43:14 phyllisbermann: Chocolate, champagne and other fun things
This entry posted 31/07/2006 09:43:58 phyllisbermann: Unlike here where it is just about bullying apart from the two nice folks
This entry posted 31/07/2006 09:44:49 phyllisbermann: I'm off now
This entry posted 31/07/2006 09:44:57 phyllisbermann: Pip pip pipity pop!
This entry posted 31/07/2006 09:45:08 goldencup: Bye
This entry posted 31/07/2006 09:45:16 phyllisbermann: Enjoy yourselves today - but don't let the bullies win
This entry posted 31/07/2006 09:45:35 phyllisbermann: Especially that 623 and LouLou person
This entry posted 31/07/2006 09:45:38 phyllisbermann: Bye

look at that CRAP she wrote! how dare she! Especcaily ME will....


This entry posted 31/07/2006 09:50:58

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