Jan Moir

[smurfboy]

Is there any conceivable reason why this evil creature still has a job (not to mention the Editor in Chief who approved her offensive, bigoted rant)?

[drterror666]

Explain please.  I see much fuel here for flaming fun.

[oldspice]

Her rant was uncalled for and illogical. He died from pulmonary odema - nothing what-so-ever to do with his partnership - civil or otherwise. My friend's husband died in a similar way - would anyone have thought of saying that such a death was a blow to marriage? I don't think so.

[Forth Bridges]

I;m really confused as to what this is all about!

[oldspice]

Google Jan Moir, Daily Mail, Steven Gately and you'll no doubt get your answer.

[drterror666]

W-e-l-l, IMO she was just voicing the opinions of many people who don't buy into all this crap the family are putting around about their 'perfect' son.  Apparently, there has been no toxicology results because the Spanish police are keeping quiet on behalf of the family.  But, I don't believe for a second that he and his partner went out for a couple of Shandy's, picked up a 'friend' and then went back to the villa for a game of Scrabble!  The guy was a party animal and probably died because of this.

Anyway, it'll all be forgotten about in a week or so.

Feel free to flame me

[smurfboy]

For the record I don't believe they were playing Scrabble either; it's not the fact that Moir's suggesting this that bothers me. What's truly offensive is that she denounced their behaviour as 'sleazy' and described it as 'a blow to the myth of happy-ever-after civil partnerships', and also said Stephen Gately was a bad role model. First of all, who the hell is she to decide that just because a couple might choose not to be 100% monogamous they must be unhappy? Second of all, even if they were unhappy, what the hell does that have to do with the thousands of other happy civil partnerships in existence? Also if the article wasn't homophobic, as she's now claiming, why did she bring Kevin McGee's suicide into it?

P.S. Dr Terror - I don't do flaming, but when people preface statements with 'apparently' I can't help thinking they've read some internet conspiracy theory and taken it as gospel.

[drterror666]

I suppose she did go a bit over the top with the whole civil partnership thing.  Any relationship is any relationship.  Some work and some don't, it doesn't matter what your sexuality.  Still, on the other hand, I find picking up strangers for sex, whether male or female, sleazy anyway, but that's just me.

The thing I said about the toxicology results came from a GP on another forum; he's taken an interest in the case.

The flaming thing was a joke, btw.

[wjp666]

now now - steady on guys!

[drterror666]

Quick, we need a picture of a kitten!

[oldspice]

Gately died of pulmonary odema - the most likely explanation for such a death in a person of that age is the aspiration of vomit into the lungs, possibly following a period of heavy drinking. What has that to do with his civil partnership?

Even if Steven and his partner did return to the apartment with a third party for some threesome adventurous sex - that is still no basis for the criticism of civil partnerships in general. PLENTY of 'straight' couples enjoy such sex games, whilst at the same time enjoying a happy relationship with their partners. In addition, plenty of 'straight' couples, some of them very high up in society, have enjoyed extra-marital sex of all kinds and I have never heard of the Daily Mail calling into the question the value of marriage based on their behaviour SO I can only conclude that this lady is homophobic.

[drterror666]

I think she should have worded her article a bit better, but then it wouldn't have had the effect it had, sensationalism and all that.  I do wonder where she got this notion of civil partnerships being a haven of harmony and equality, because all couples have good and bad days.

Anyway, there're plenty of homophobes who say they're not.  They usually have a gay friend, etc., etc.

[drterror666]

Gately died of pulmonary odema - the most likely explanation for such a death in a person of that age is the aspiration of vomit into the lungs, possibly following a period of heavy drinking.

His family wouldn't want you to know that and the Spanish authorities don't have to say anything if the family requests it.