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Offline loulou

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« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2008, 07:52:01 am »
Shame Gordon Brown and the entire royal family couldn't die in a plane crash.
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« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2008, 09:37:22 am »
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« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2008, 10:42:26 am »
Quote from: loulou
Shame Gordon Brown and the entire royal family couldn't die in a plane crash.

 

I think that's just a tad harsh!LOL
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« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2008, 01:57:57 pm »
What a pity all the people who know how to run the country are driving cabs, cutting hair or flogging aromatherapy oils. How truly great Great Britain would be if they were actually in charge.
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« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2008, 04:29:54 pm »
I was horrified by the death of a family man, defending his property, kicked to death by a bunch of thugs and I truly hope they get a long sentence so that they can reflect on their behaviour and its long-term implications.
 

However, I feel that as a society we all have a role to play in the reformation of such citizens. My basic reaction is to say 'throw away the key and let them rot' but I am not sure that will cure the problem. Why do we have so many wild gangs roaming our streets willing to kill innocent people who dare to challenge their behaviour? It is all too easy to blame the current government but I think the problem goes back much further. For example, during Mrs Thatcher's time we had riots in cities across the country. There were thousands of people on the streets, setting fire to buildings and vehicles, throwing home-made petrol bombs at police and looting shops. Where did all that come from?

 

A lot of young people feel alienated from their own communities. For example, following last week's story, some of my students were stopped by police and taken home simply for hanging round on the corner of a parade of shops. They were told that 'the old people get scared if they see you lot hanging around and we get a lot of earache about you being out on the streets at night'  The were innocent of any crime and yet simply being seen on the streets in a gang was seen as threatening. How long before real anger sets in and they go out looking for trouble for the hell of it?

 

I'm certainly not defending those scumbags. I'm just trying to pose some long-term solutions. I fully agree with the man's poor wife who expressed her frustration at parents who will not take responsibility for bringing their children up properly. 

 

Re Gordon Brown - I think we need to let him get his teeth into the job and not meet every issue thrown up by the media with a knee-jerk reaction. 
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« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2008, 07:29:18 am »
What about the guy murdered by the three hooligans, 16, 17 and 21?   Sorry, can't remember his name but he had learning difficulties and apparently they had bet who could fell him with a single punch!  After he was punched and kicked to death he was stripped.  They then took photos of his clothes held up as trophies.  Can people like this be reformed?
 

I firmly believe that the breakdown of the family is the main cause of our problems.  Gangs become the family, and these people then revert to some Neanderthal-like behaviour.   Much of these problems stem from policies under Margaret Thatcher's government.

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« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2008, 06:01:40 pm »
Yes, that was a shocking case and there were several similar shocking cases around the same time. It is horrifying that people can stoop to such behaviour and it does make you wonder what the solution is. Yes, I do believe some people can be reformed but most prisons do not have the resources or the trained staff to invest in these people. It takes an intense programme of education and rehabilitation, a long course in critical thinking and reflection and a certain amount of work with victims and criminals together to make any real impact on this behaviour.  Prisons just don't have the money for  all of that.
 

It's simple to blame Mrs Thatcher and many of her policies were very devisive and damaging BUT the behaviour of individuals is in their own hands - family breakdown is a significant factor - but the solution must be a multiple agency approach and individuals have to want to change. Until they reach that stage, they should be locked up.
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« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2008, 08:16:08 pm »

I have no sympathy for the perpetrators of such heinous crimes.


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