Post by: smurfboy on June 19, 2007, 02:59:39 pm
England goes smoke-free on July 1st. How do you feel about it?
I think everyone knows I am in favour of the ban, but what I find interesting is that all the smokers I know are in favour too. Yes, they're moaning that they'll have to stand outside, but they also believe it will help them give up, or at least cut down.
Post by: goldencup on June 19, 2007, 03:02:39 pm
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Post by: Cherry_Ripe on June 19, 2007, 03:46:20 pm
I am in favour of the ban.
My only concern is that if we get rid of designated smoking areas, the smokers are going to stand outside the door / window instead. So with the windows open, places which were smoke free will fill up with the smoke of people who used to smoke (far away) in a designated place.
I hope there is a smoke free zone around buildings but I don't know if that will be the case.
Post by: wjp666 on June 19, 2007, 06:07:42 pm
my old philosophy - if you don't like smoke, stay out of pubs! you're not forced to go there. (and that goes for barstaff too. you don't hear astronauts whining about the strain re-entry into the earths atmosphere has on their bodies. it goes with the occupation.)
i remember this causing a major uproar on the forum last time: so remember, this is just one guys opinion.
*in twenty years from now when they're banning alcohol in pubs, remember this post...*
Post by: oldspice on June 19, 2007, 06:21:59 pm
Quote from: Cherry_Ripe
I am in favour of the ban.
My only concern is that if we get rid of designated smoking areas, the smokers are going to stand outside the door / window instead. So with the windows open, places which were smoke free will fill up with the smoke of people who used to smoke (far away) in a designated place.I hope there is a smoke free zone around buildings but I don't know if that will be the case.
In theory, there should be a smoke-free zone around the buildings so that smoke does not blow into the smoke-free area. Our college is going to ban ALL smoking inside the college gates which are hundreds of yards from the entrances. Staff are being given free therapy to help them give up and they will not be allowed to have fag breaks during the working day.
I am in favour of the ban.
Post by: smurfboy on June 19, 2007, 11:56:25 pm
Quote from: wjp666
my old philosophy - if you don't like smoke, stay out of pubs! you're not forced to go there. (and that goes for barstaff too. you don't hear astronauts whining about the strain re-entry into the earths atmosphere has on their bodies. it goes with the occupation.)True, but don't people have the right to go into a pub without breathing in second-hand smoke? If you argue that those who don't like smoke should stay out of pubs, you are effectively saying that a minority of people (smokers) should be allowed to dictate the behaviour of the majority (non-smokers).As for the astronaut argument, I don't think bartending is quite on the same level in terms of aspirational careers...
Post by: wjp666 on June 20, 2007, 12:41:57 am
Quote from: smurfboy
Quote from: wjp666my old philosophy - if you don't like smoke, stay out of pubs! you're not forced to go there. (and that goes for barstaff too. you don't hear astronauts whining about the strain re-entry into the earths atmosphere has on their bodies. it goes with the occupation.)True, but don't people have the right to go into a pub without breathing in second-hand smoke? If you argue that those who don't like smoke should stay out of pubs, you are effectively saying that a minority of people (smokers) should be allowed to dictate the behaviour of the majority (non-smokers).As for the astronaut argument, I don't think bartending is quite on the same level in terms of aspirational careers...in my opinion, pubs are there for drinkers and smokers. i've worked in many a pub and i wouldn't want it any other way. i don't like smoke, but knowing this it didn't stop me working there.sure, alot of people may want to go to a smoke free pub, that's fine. but it should be up to the landlords discretion whether they want a smoke-free bar or not, it should not be law. i saw nothing wrong with having smoking and non-smoking areas in pubs. that way everyone was happy.it's just further proof that everything is becoming family orientated, and pubs are being made more appropriate for children to inhabit. i truly believe kids have no business whatsoever in a pub. in my opinion, it's just not a place to take kids. this is what worries me the most...and when i mentioned alcohol being banned from pubs in the near-distant future, i mean it. i can totally see that happening.(then, of course, darts will be banned in case one goes stray and harpoons a child...)i worry this is the start of something bigger.wjp666 2007-06-19 23:42:57
Post by: smurfboy on June 20, 2007, 01:09:31 am
Quote from: wjp666
it's just further proof that everything is becoming family orientated, and pubs are being made more appropriate for children to inhabit. i truly believe kids have no business whatsoever in a pub. in my opinion, it's just not a place to take kids. this is what worries me the most...
I agree that kids don't belong in pubs, but in the same way you argue for smoking and non-smoking areas in pubs, there are plenty of over 18s only bars - surely those who don't want to share a pub with kids can go to those?
Post by: oldspice on June 20, 2007, 08:49:12 am
Later today I am attending the funeral of a dear cousin who died from lung cancer. She never smoked but was exposed to cigarette smoke for over thirty years. She was just 49 years old. I watched her in her last hours, when the cancer had gone to her brain and it is a sight that will live with me for a very long time.
Post by: goldencup on June 20, 2007, 10:14:57 am
I don't understand why pubs should be just for smokers and drinkers. Plenty of people (like me) enjoy going to the pub for a drink (alcoholic or not) a chat, sometimes a quiz and maybe a meal (preferably without the children). Rather than more pubs becoming family friendly (not necessarily a good thing I agree) round here more and more of them are over 21s only. Then people wonder why the teenagers are drinking on the streets. Where are they supposed to go? They're too old for youth clubs etc.
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Post by: wjp666 on June 20, 2007, 03:52:29 pm
Quote from: smurfboy
there are plenty of over 18s only bars - surely those who don't want to share a pub with kids can go to those?
maybe it's different where you are, but we haven't got a single one down here anymore. (and this is primarily a pub town.)
Post by: goldencup on June 20, 2007, 04:28:52 pm
Post by: oldspice on June 21, 2007, 08:00:02 am
Post by: Cherry_Ripe on June 21, 2007, 10:11:45 am
Quote from: oldspice
What we do lack is a smoke-free, kiddie-free, music-free pub where you can sit and drink anything (soft drinks, coffee, alcohol), eat decent food and enjoy some intteligent conversation. A pub like this for the 35+ sector would be great.
Oldspice we get all of this at the casino.
Post by: goldencup on June 21, 2007, 06:18:54 pm
Post by: Scarlet Passion on June 22, 2007, 02:56:58 pm
It gets in my clothes and my hair (aswell as my lungs), and makes everything smell awful!
From a purely selfish point of view, the sooner this ban comes into effect the better it's going to be.
Post by: loulou on June 23, 2007, 01:03:36 am
Post by: wjp666 on June 23, 2007, 02:00:19 am
Post by: oldspice on June 23, 2007, 10:37:17 am
I remember when people could smoke everywhere - cinemas, shops, theatres, staff rest rooms, even hospitals. I think we have come a long way since those days. The fact is, smokers are now in a minority.
Post by: loulou on June 23, 2007, 03:01:21 pm
Post by: Cherry_Ripe on June 25, 2007, 12:07:43 pm