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Chat => General => Topic started by: loulou on May 20, 2007, 02:35:40 pm

Title: Litter dropping
Post by: loulou on May 20, 2007, 02:35:40 pm

A grandmother has been fined 80 - for dropping two Quavers on the pavement.

Officials later apologised for issuing the on-the-spot fine, blaming it on "overzealous" council wardens.

I don't think anyone should apologise except for the woman and she should pay the fine.

loulou2007-05-20 13:35:55

Title: Litter dropping
Post by: smurfboy on May 20, 2007, 02:54:20 pm

Ridiculous. A fine for dropping Quavers? The woman is 80 years old, she could have arthritis or have had a stroke.

Title: Litter dropping
Post by: loulou on May 20, 2007, 03:07:53 pm

Don't make excuses smurfy. If we see a 14 year old dropping a pop can on the pavement are we to think he has an illness?

Title: Litter dropping
Post by: smurfboy on May 20, 2007, 03:09:47 pm

But dropping a can is deliberate. Plus the quavers are a) biodegradable and b) would probably be eaten by birds within seconds.

Title: Litter dropping
Post by: loulou on May 20, 2007, 03:10:34 pm

Ah a little blue tit chokes on a quaver and you think that is ok?

Title: Litter dropping
Post by: goldencup on May 20, 2007, 03:10:58 pm

Quite right - I think a short term of imprisonment would have been more appropriate.

Title: Litter dropping
Post by: smurfboy on May 20, 2007, 03:11:25 pm

Quote from: loulou

Ah a little blue tit chokes on a quaver and you think that is ok?

 

They're ten a penny.

Title: Litter dropping
Post by: loulou on May 20, 2007, 03:11:44 pm

you cannot make excuses simply because she was 80.

Title: Litter dropping
Post by: goldencup on May 20, 2007, 03:14:03 pm

Exactly - they get free bus passes as it is.

Title: Litter dropping
Post by: smurfboy on May 20, 2007, 03:15:15 pm

Perhaps we should just euthanise everyone at 65?

Title: Litter dropping
Post by: goldencup on May 20, 2007, 03:15:53 pm

Certainly not - who'd do my ironing?

Title: Litter dropping
Post by: oldspice on May 20, 2007, 03:37:32 pm

This is a difficult one. I would drop an apple core on the grass verge for birds to eat because i think it is wasteful to throw it in the bin. I would never  throw a crisp packet on the grass verge. However, how is a litter warden to know that i am not a habitual litter thrower? 

 

The answer is obvious. Distinguish between litter and  disgarded biodegradable material. Obviously, take into consideration where the matter is deposited - for example throwing it on the pavement or road might cause a slipping hazard.

 

But we should clamp down hard on people who throw litter on the pavements and roads - and that includes cigarette ends.

Title: Litter dropping
Post by: loulou on May 20, 2007, 04:11:27 pm

I agree with oldspice. I think there's nothing worse than cigarette ends on the pavements. Well there is, there's dog foul but that's a different thread.

Title: Litter dropping
Post by: oldspice on May 21, 2007, 08:03:05 am

In the Motro paper this week its headlines claim you can be fined 75 for littering but 50 for assault.

Title: Litter dropping
Post by: loulou on May 21, 2007, 10:07:39 am

and 125 if you drop litter while assaulting.

Title: Litter dropping
Post by: Scarlet Passion on May 23, 2007, 02:37:49 am

I hate seeing people throw litter out of car windows, and chewing gum on the pavements is awful too.

But little old ladies with quavers I'm not sure about.

I agree that littering is bad, and I agree that you shouldn't let her off and even apologise to her just because she's old, but I have dropped crisps and not picked them up as dogs and birds eat them, and I throw crusts and apple cores for birds and such too. But I don't really think of that as littering, more a form of re-cycling. But if I drop anything else I pick it up and put it in the bin.

Maybe if littering could be re-defined and made more place and danger/mess specific, life might be a bit easier?

 

Also will this smoking ban in public places will mean a lot fewer cigarette ends in the street, or will it make it worse as all those people who can't smoke inside anymore all stand outside smoking instead?

Title: Litter dropping
Post by: oldspice on May 23, 2007, 07:37:25 am

I think we will see more cigarette ends in the street. Outsdide the college doors where I work, there are actually hundreds and hundreds of ciggie ends even though there are proper fire-proof bins for them to be deposited in.