once again teh english is WELL BEHIDE with this isseu in scotland it come in to a effect 14 th macth!
Another step towards total governmental control. First compulsory ID cards now a smoking ban. Soon the inevitable FURTHER tax increases to cover the lost revenue. Not to mention the destruction of small businesses such as independant pubs.
We laugh at films like Logans Run and Gattaca, but we are not far off.
If the government and its supporters didnt make me so angry i would find the whole thing laughable.
DOES ANY OEN REMEMBER
1984?????
sound very formailler!
It was the year I was born. Why what happened then?
Nice one!
Its a book and a film about exactly this sort of thing
I think he was right!!!!
Another step towards total governmental control. First compulsory ID cards now a smoking ban. Soon the inevitable FURTHER tax increases to cover the lost revenue. Not to mention the destruction of small businesses such as independant pubs.
Is this really about control - or safety? Where is MY control, as a non-smoker, if people can puff away right next to me and give me cancer whenever they like? Too many people think that just because they want to do something, they should be able to. So what if I want to have hardcore S and M sex in the middle of the supermarket? Or stand outside a school sacrificing live chickens? Neither of these will give anyone cancer, but I bet you no one would want their kids exposed to it.
As for independent pubs being put out of business, it's not as if people can go and spend their money at a big chain pub instead where they can smoke; they won't be able to smoke anywhere!
Do you HONESTLY believe it is about safety? At the same time as the ID cards pass the commons?
Can't smoke in a pub means - won't go to a pub...
Some will support and some won't. In my opinion this is another scary turn made in the road - i do not like the direction we are moving in.
What is next? Land re-apportionment?
Well yes, I do honestly believe it's about safety. The government makes huge amounts in tax from duty on cigarettes and alcohol, so it's not as if discouraging people to smoke, and therefore spend less time in the pub, will be of any financial benefit to the government.
So if you don't think it's about safety, what do you think it's about? A sinister conspiracy to take control of the people?
Can't smoke in a pub means - won't go to a pub...
For me, can't smoke in a pub means I'll go to a pub
Plus I'll feel happier about my young cousin who works in a pub - she will have a healthier work environment.
I really think we have seen a land mark in British social history.
I hate going to a pub and then coming out with sore eyes and hair which smells like an ashtrayI agree!
I think it's a Health & Safety issue. Employees in pubs/clubs have a right to have their health and safety protected by law. It's all very well for smokers to damage their own health by choice but they should not be allowed to continuously damage the health of others.
I feel sorry for children whose parents are heavy smokers. What protection are they getting???
It still leaves the issue of protecting the health of employees who work in pubs and clubs and other public places. They may not mind now, but if they get lung disease in future years they will wonder why their health was not protected by law.
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Yeah, god forbid we should have clean lungs. How awful that smokers will have to kill themselves in private!
Lemon eye must smoke cos he seems to think its ok for him to do as he pleases but its not ok for non smokers to have clean air.
If you dont like it go and live in a third world company where cigs are dirt cheap.
I do not like being in a smoke environment at all!
I have to admit I have often felt irritated by the smokers at work who seem to have a god given right to tae a "fag break", because they can't function without a nicotine hit. Yet non smokers, like me, don't seem to have a "contemplate my navel break" when we like. We just get the pleaure of holding the fort for the smokers.
Lemon eye must smoke cos he seems to think its ok for him to do as he pleases but its not ok for non smokers to have clean air.
If you dont like it go and live in a third world company where cigs are dirt cheap.
Not only am i a non smoker, but i am also NOT a bandwagon jumper.
Neither am i beguiled by Tony Blair. God knows what you lot will do when Brown takes charge.
As for 3rd World companies - i am not sure i know what you mean. 3rd world countries - and why dont i move there - what a ridiculous thing to say!
Smurfboy - i thought you out of any of the posters on here would be in favour of a live and let live policy and not judging lifestyle choices. Non smokers are free to use no smoking areas as smokers would or could be invited to use designated smoking areas.
I trust all of you have paid in advance for your ID cards and have dna samples ready and waiting?
The levels of nonsense on this forum have reached epic proportions.
in case weve all forgotten - WHAT PUBS ARE FOR:
drinking, smoking, pinball, pool-table, darts, raffles and annopying staff.
if you dont want to do at least 2 of these things, then you really should go to a coffee bar instead.
i dont smoke, but banning smoking in a pub is f'n ridiculous. screw it - ban drinking while your at it! bring back prohibition! its as mad as letting kids IN pubs!
Well said that man!
Sadly, the blinkered majority on here want all pubs to be just like Central Perk ( i think that is what the coffee shop in Friends is called)
Also, Land re-apportionment, re-nationalisation, and a highly disciplined army are on the agenda...
bad example indeed! 'hey, sprogs, this is your future!'
any pub that sells panda-pops with straws should be burnt down.
Lemoneye - re non-smokers using non-smoking areas. That's all very well except the smoke drifts into the non-smoking areas. Also, smokers often ignore this rule and smoke anyway, anywhere they like. And what about the STAFF? They have to work in all areas don't they?
I don't think this is a freedom issues at all. It is a 21st century move towards encouraging a healthy working environment and social environment for all.
Re the reference to the third world - this is the fasting growing market for cigarettes. Companies are targeting the third world because of falling sales in the west. Watch this space - in thirty years time heart disease, lung cancer and other related illnesses will be killing third world citizens in huge numbers - just like they have here for decades.
wjp666 - can you find a smoke free coffee bar for me? Can you even find me a coffee bar that is open after 5pm? Not in my town! What we do have is ONE smoke-free pub with no music and no fruit machines but plenty of books and good conversation. It is a VERY popular pub. Good beer too.
I dont think it is wrong for children to be in pubs unless its after 5 pm when they should be at home having their tea and settling down ready for bed.
As long as there playin in the gardens there not being exposed to smoke.......
I as a smoker do not smoke in front of my children but would not ask somone who was smoking around me to move if i really didn't like it i would move.
Everyone is entitled to there own opinion but alot of people on here seem to think that a few peoples opinions are wrong, opinions are not right or wrong they are what people as individuals think or feel......
Some people choose to smoke some don't and i don't think it should be banned all together maybe have the pubs like they used to where you have a saloon bar and a public bar smokers one end non smokers the other end and as for smoking barmaids working in smoking pubs, if there really that bothered by it then they wouldn't work there.
There are plenty of coffee shops and cafes open past 5pm here and some are non smoking which is fine and i go to those to.
I think people need to be a bit more open minded and not think just because they don't like it that it should be stopped all together, I personally don't like the smell of car fumes or the noise a moped makes but it's the way of the world as is smoking now and drinking also, let it be!!!!
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Yeah, god forbid we should have clean lungs. How awful that smokers will have to kill themselves in private!
Ok, how about everyone that gets p*ssed every weekend??Let them kill themselves in private because alcohol kills too!!God forbid we should have less violence at kick out time!! I don't like seeing a bunch of moron's starting a fight in the street because they can't handle there drink, i also don't like smelling of beer when somone has thrown there pint across the bar/floor in a drunken state.
So how about banning all alcohol too??
Exactly. When I drink I damage my own liver and no one else's. When people smoke they damage everyone's lungs.
And just to clarify, smoking has NOT been banned. You can puff away all you like in private.
So how about banning all alcohol too??
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Absolutely.
You piss heads with your fags really get on my tits.
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Smurfboy - i thought you out of any of the posters on here would be in favour of a live and let live policy and not judging lifestyle choices.
And what is that supposed to mean?
I don't think anyone's opinions are wrong. I am just responding with my own opinions. I personally think smoking in pubs and public buildings should be banned. If I am a bigot or a Marxist for having that opinion then so be it.
If you were a large bigot would you just be a big?
Quote from: oldspiceI don't think anyone's opinions are wrong. I am just responding with my own opinions. I personally think smoking in pubs and public buildings should be banned. If I am a bigot or a Marxist for having that opinion then so be it.If you were a large bigot would you just be a big?
What?
I don't think anyone's opinions are wrong. I am just responding with my own opinions. I personally think smoking in pubs and public buildings should be banned. If I am a bigot or a Marxist for having that opinion then so be it.
Well said Spicy. Opinions aren't necessarily right or wrong, but there will always be someone who disagrees with you, and if you can't cope with that you shouldn't express your opinions in the first place.
How?
Through drinking and driving? Never done it, wouldn't do it, won't be able to because I can't drive. I know people do it and it's very wrong, but that is punishable by law. Killing people with your smoke isn't - is that fair?
Are you worried I might end up punching someone whilst drunk? Yes, could happen if I didn't drink responsibly. But the majority of people know how to handle their drink. Second-hand smoke can kill no matter how responsible a person you are.
Does Imodium work on verbal diarrhoea as well as the traditional type?
I totally agree but... if i'm out in public say a bus stop i am alway's careful as to not smoke near children and if some one asks me to move politley then yes i would move i appreciate not everyone likes smoking but in the same sense each to there own you choose to drink i choose to smoke...
I myself dont go to pubs very often as i dont particuarly like drinking and the effects it has on people but that is my choice if you dont like smoking dont stand next to a smoker.....
Maybe some pubs should be smoking some should be non smoking then everyone is happy but banning it in public is wrong because as i said for those that dont like it i would either move myself or if there that bothered by it then they move....
Does Imodium work on verbal diarrhoea as well as the traditional type?
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Im sorry does it bother you i have an opinion??
Well i fed up of the same old crap from you lot about the whole situation but do i make smart comments about it??
I dont think so i'm all up for freedom of speech, everyone has there own opinion and if i wish to repeat myself to get my point across i will!!
I respect your opinion so don't you think you should respect mine??
And I thought Oscar Wilde was dead. It seems wit and intelligence are alive and well...
Supposed to mean what exactley??
If you are getting annoyed over an opinion i think you need to retract a few of your words...
I was told this was a friendly forum just because people have a strong opinion of an issue you disagree with you think its ok to make smart comments??
Maybe if i was bothered...offensive comments??
darling?
Do you like walking down hershey highway?
I will not be elaborating.
I can no longer be bothered.
Actually just one elaboration.
Smurfboy has been inexplicably and needlessly rude and offensive to my other half. Not like him at all and not sure i really understand why.
I am sick of the "faux intelligencia" on this site.
Cute graphic or "smiley".
Actually just one elaboration.
Smurfboy has been inexplicably and needlessly rude and offensive to my other half. Not like him at all and not sure i really understand why.
I am sick of the "faux intelligencia" on this site.
I don't feel I've been rude. I've been honest. Your 'other half' is keen to say she thinks all opinions are valid - does that only count if they match hers?
Quote from: lemoneyeActually just one elaboration.
Smurfboy has been inexplicably and needlessly rude and offensive to my other half. Not like him at all and not sure i really understand why.
I am sick of the "faux intelligencia" on this site.
I don't feel I've been rude. I've been honest. Your 'other half' is keen to say she thinks all opinions are valid - does that only count if they match hers?
Oscar Wilde? Translator? Please do not give me that nonsense.
No need to be offensive but i am certain we can all do it.
You have to accept Babygirls opinion, my opinion, Oldspice's opinion etc etc etc etc etc etc
Opinions vary. Fact. We all have our own. You do, I do etc etc
I am repeating myself to be certain that you read and understand.
No one is looking for an online "row" - i can't think of anything less worthwhile - but lets accept that our politics differ, and if we cannot discuss sensible real topics suggest that we stick to sweets and chocolate etc?
Finger of Fudge or Bounty?
I prefer a bounty.
I prefer a bounty.
I knew you missed him really!!
Ha ha are you seriously thinking that I am the once mighty BH?
Well I'm not!
You are relatively new to this forum nutsaboutchoc - Bounty was a notorious wind up merchant and part time perv - he was a very regular poster
Ha ha are you seriously thinking that I am the once mighty BH?
No, our posts clashed - I know you're not Bounty. Because I know who is...
Smurf "boy" you seem a little tense tonight darling - relax....
I was still a boy the last time I looked - why the quote marks?
You are relatively new to this forum nutsaboutchoc - Bounty was a notorious wind up merchant and part time perv - he was a very regular poster
Not that new!
Quote from: lemoneyeSmurf "boy" you seem a little tense tonight darling - relax....I was still a boy the last time I looked - why the quote marks?
Merely a minor reposte for some earlier off colour comments - no real sinister undertones implied or intended
I HATE STRIP-BARS! i just think theyre sleazy and annoying. the thought of naked people dancing on my table when im having a drink doesnt do antyhing for me. so guess what? I DONT GO TO STRIP-BARS! ever!
simple solution! im not about to invade parliament and DEMAND all sterippers are removed from strip-bars, because after all, thats what the place is all about.
smoking goes with pubs. if the staff dont like it, then bad luck! they should seek other employment which doesnt involve being around smoke! (ie. i would not work in a cockroach breeding facility, because i dont like roaches. im not going to get a job there and then piss and moan about it!)
im an avid non-smoker, but it offends me when human rights are taken away for no good reason. passive smoking? worried about cancer? dont wanna work in a smoky atmosphere? FINE! DONT GO TO A PUB! i hate snooker (and im worried about getting pranged with a cue and damaging my health), so i'm not going to a snooker club anytime soon... use these simple ethics and we can all co-exist in harnmony.
no more 1984! another decade and we wont be able to drink in pubs either.
My very last word on this topic is:
Smoking is a filthy, anti-social, unhealthy and expensive habit.
In my opinion of course.
I HATE STRIP-BARS! i just think theyre sleazy and annoying. the thought of naked people dancing on my table when im having a drink doesnt do antyhing for me. so guess what? I DONT GO TO STRIP-BARS! ever!
simple solution! im not about to invade parliament and DEMAND all sterippers are removed from strip-bars, because after all, thats what the place is all about.
smoking goes with pubs. if the staff dont like it, then bad luck! they should seek other employment which doesnt involve being around smoke! (ie. i would not work in a cockroach breeding facility, because i dont like roaches. im not going to get a job there and then piss and moan about it!)
im an avid non-smoker, but it offends me when human rights are taken away for no good reason. passive smoking? worried about cancer? dont wanna work in a smoky atmosphere? FINE! DONT GO TO A PUB! i hate snooker (and im worried about getting pranged with a cue and damaging my health), so i'm not going to a snooker club anytime soon... use these simple ethics and we can all co-exist in harnmony.
no more 1984! another decade and we wont be able to drink in pubs either.
Well said......
"Smoking is a filthy, anti-social, unhealthy and expensive habit."
well said - but i dont believe its up to me to demand everyone to stop smoking everywhere. its not my choice. as an adult i like to enjoy independent thought. and if people want to pollute their lungs with filth, then hey, good luck to 'em. nothing to do with me, or anyone else...
who has been making those??
Think your reading too much into the post's....
Leomoneye's post - Smurfboy - i thought you out of any of the posters on here would be in favour of a live and let live policy and not judging lifestyle choices. Non smokers are free to use no smoking areas as smokers would or could be invited to use designated smoking areas.
Am I really???
I LIKE SMOKE BAN.
IT SMELLS.
WE IN INDIA HAVE SMOKING BAN TO STOP PEOPLE SMELLING.
HELLO I GIVE YOU MY 50 CENTS
YOU CAN FIND ME IN THE CLUB
I DONT LIKE SMOKE